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Post by greengai on Sept 18, 2015 18:38:54 GMT -5
The little Dragoons are busted for me too. As for spiralofvertigo's Horn, it's the regular black, silver-trim and bright green combo; caps are the same color as Konig Wolf's. That one I've seen for 3000-4500 yen a few times while competing with Fuzors Horns on the market, more when only competition was OJR Dark Horn and the HMM's.
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Post by rhasputin on Sept 18, 2015 21:26:50 GMT -5
The images are broken for me as well. I'm using Chrome browser.
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Post by spiralofvertigo on Sept 19, 2015 3:27:13 GMT -5
Thanks greengai! Mandarake checked the stock and they had it available I paid $65 total with shipping so I think that's a pretty good price!
I also might have just gotten a hold of a Shield Liger Blox for 1,500 yen if it's in stock; we'll see.
Is there a way to approximate how many units of a limited model exists? I don't know if that would be possible unless they outright told us.
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mars
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Thank you for calling Planet Zi, my name is Mars...
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Post by mars on Sept 19, 2015 8:54:37 GMT -5
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Post by Falcarius on Sept 19, 2015 10:12:14 GMT -5
Nah, I just picked the name "Athenaeum" because it's a fancy word for library, and names like "Zoids Archives" and "Zoids Database" were already taken ages ago. As for the book, it's got nothing to do with the Zoids we're used to, but I can foresee it becoming just as annoying as the T-Zoid brand when searching for auctions >_> Falcarius looks like there may be a couple PK members in Zoids2? Aha, so there are. Second Lieutenant Talis Offerland and her superior Dolph Glatzer/Glaffer (Zoids2 has some weird character names). In fact, it sounds like the Prozen Knights are the true enemies in both sides of the story mode... They both pilot PK Kongs though, so nothing new on the Zoid front. Is it just me or are a bunch of images on the forum suddenly broken and stretching the main page? Yeah, the site hosting the pictures died a couple of days ago. They're not stretching the page for me, but they're definitely gone.
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Post by spiralofvertigo on Sept 22, 2015 8:28:36 GMT -5
Is Mandarake down for anyone else or is it just my internet acting up?
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Post by panzerparrot on Sept 22, 2015 12:35:35 GMT -5
I can access Mandarake via various links but it looks like the main page for the English site will not load.
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Post by Hanyoutai on Oct 25, 2015 18:57:52 GMT -5
Death Meteor is original from Cyberdrive, right? What was the story there?
Was there any story info behind the Jagd Zoids (like Stinger?)
Also, is Geno Hydra KA Kill Armor or Keel Armor? I'm leaning towards Kill since it was a cyberdrive original?
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Post by Falcarius on Oct 26, 2015 1:21:28 GMT -5
There's a whole set of 'upgraded' Zoids that are Saga II originals: Ultimate Phalanx, Jagd Stinger, Gojulox, Dark Poison, Rev Hunter, Bloodler, Gravity Bison, Shield Liger Aero, Proto Saber, Iron Drill, Geno Flame and Death Meteor. (There's also Blitz Tiger and Storm Sworder FX, which may or may not count as part of this group). Apart from the first three (and the two in brackets), all of them later appeared in Cyber Drive, but since they get no background story and play no role in the plot of Saga II (besides Death Meteor), I suspect they were designed for Cyber Drive to begin with. To be honest, they didn't get much background info in Cyber Drive either, but at least they actually belonged in the timeline. In general, they seem to be described as improved customs and/or prototypes. In Cyber Drive, Death Meteor was created during the war a century ago, but went berserk and had to be sealed away by the power of the Ancient Zoidian Shamans. (This sounds familiar somehow...) In the present day, it is referred to as a "demon" and a legend, but certain Guild officials are hoping to track it down and control it using the Vessels program. However, Loki finds it first and tries to use it to destroy all humans, but the fact that he is a human means the Meteor won't fully accept him, giving Hugh the chance to defeat it for good (although he still needs some Shaman help). ...Yeah, not much to do with its Saga2/Legacy portrayal. There's no real link between Jagd Fuhrer, Jagd Geno and Jagd Stinger, they're all just using the German word for "hunt". And since Jagd Stinger doesn't show up outside the Saga series, there's literally no information on it beyond the Saga2/Legacy/SagaDS database entries Geno Hydra KA is Keel Armour (キール rather than キル) as it was piloted by Blood Keel in the first Saga game, well before Cyber Drive. But apparently, its first appearance was technically in Zoids2 (the PSX game), where it was called Geno Hydra Heavy Weapons Type. I have no idea what Geno Hydra is doing in Zoids2, since the one in Saga was created by analysing Athle's Trinity Liger - then again, we all know what the Zoids franchise is like with consistency >_>
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Post by Gojulas Omega on Oct 26, 2015 1:27:19 GMT -5
Geno Hydra KA is Keel Armour (キール rather than キル) as it was piloted by Blood Keel in the first Saga game, well before Cyber Drive. But apparently, its first appearance was technically in Zoids2 (the PSX game), where it was called Geno Hydra Heavy Weapons Type. I have no idea what Geno Hydra is doing in Zoids2, since the one in Saga was created by analysing Athle's Trinity Liger - then again, we all know what the Zoids franchise is like with consistency >_> Zoids Saga 1 was release earlier than PS Zoids2. So Geno Hydra KA first appear is Zoids Saga 1. (Zoids Saga 1 was release in 2001 and PS Zoids 2 was release in 2002)
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Post by Falcarius on Oct 26, 2015 2:12:02 GMT -5
Oops, yeah, looking at the wrong dates >_> Cyber Drive definitely came after Saga II, though.
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Post by Hanyoutai on Oct 29, 2015 11:16:14 GMT -5
Thank you for the thorough answer! To jump into another question, what was the official technicalities behind Dark Zoids? I recall them using the Diohalicon (sp?) and it ... generating energy? But not much beyond that. (Mainly looking at the Zeek Dober Eliminator)
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Post by Maethius on Oct 29, 2015 12:15:05 GMT -5
I recall that the Dark Zoids used Deochalcum (a play on Orichalcum, a metal mentioned in several ancient writings, including the story of Atlantis in the Critias of Plato). It generated more power than anything before or since, allowing the Dark Zoids to carry far more powerful weapons than their counterparts. It also poisoned the world wherever it was used, and so its use was scrapped. In my custom's world, Guylos found a way to refine it and convert the harmful radiation to another form of energy, giving them the upper hand on Zi once again.
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Post by Falcarius on Oct 29, 2015 14:14:32 GMT -5
From volume 16 of the OJR Graphics: I think that's pretty much all we got in the OJR, besides a catalogue that basically had a shorter version of the above quote. From the description, we can probably assume that these guys all used Deochalicum, but later Guylos Zoids probably didn't (Gil Vader and such are occasionally called "Dark Zoids", but that might just be referring to their affiliation with the "Dark Army"). As for the environmental destruction people like to bring up, that's not necessarily due to the Deochalicum: Graphics 16 just says that "the key to the phenomena lay in the jet black army that had attacked from the sea", while the catalogue blames it on "destruction mecha(nisms) set up by the Dark Army" and the model boxes call it "mysterious energy being sent from the Dark Continent". Whatever the cause, it was promptly forgotten about once it had served its storyline purpose of getting the Republic to invade Nyx. As for post-90s material, I've only been able to find a handful of mentions of Deochalicum, most of which instead spell it as "Deochalcum" (ディオハルコン instead of ディオハリコン). It's a stat-boosting item in Jashin Fukkatsu and gets name-dropped once in the Zoids Bible, but only to say that it's a "special substance" that "provides energy". The Official Fan Books and NJR boxes don't specifically say that Hel Digunner and Red Horn/Dark Horn no longer use Deochalcum, although Red Horn's Fan Book 1 entry mentions that Dark Horn's production was halted for "economic and technical reasons", and Heldy's box has a relatively clear reference: "The Guylos Empire's Zoids were developed with the design concept of effectively using the energy of luminescent bodies unique to the Dark Continent, but in the Second Intercontinental War, it was improved for the decisive battle on the Western Continent." The horribly-named Avenge of Proitzen mentions that all modern Red Horns are actually Dark Horns painted red, and are significantly more powerful than the old Zenebas Red Horns. On the other hand, the Evo Drive Dark Horn's manual claims that "due to a shortage of Deochalicum, their main weapon, the Hybrid Vulcan, has been exchanged for a Beam Gatling that does not rely on Deochalicum". As for the Zeek Dober Eliminator stuff, I probably would have forgotten that if you hadn't mentioned it... Still nothing about what "Diohalicon" actually is, but the page mentions that the injection cylinders were designed for "physical strengthening through abnormal activation of the Zoid Core", producing "high aggression and combat abilities" but "whittling away at their life force considerably". However, the project was apparently scrapped for reasons unknown (the narrator speculates that the remote-controlled Zeek Dobers turned vicious and wouldn't obey their commands). I like giving thorough answers!
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Post by Hanyoutai on Oct 29, 2015 15:20:56 GMT -5
Thank you both!
It is interesting to hear about the actuality of the toxin in the material, since that is also something I hear quite often. I'm all for the dobies going wild and mauling things, so it's also cool to know.
If it is not asking too broad of a question, would it be possible hear a general description of the other custom Zoids from that segment? King Liger Speed, Gul Tiger Charger, etc.? I am infinitely fascinated by the unique customs and nice art that appeared in these segments.
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