Hell armor Question

[adamassc]

Something that has always bothered me, how resilient is the Bio zoids' Hell armor against ballistic ammunition? Iremember it being said several times that it repels beam weaponry, but nothing about bullets.

Also, what protects the pilot? The Bio-core doesn't seem to put up much defense against attack.





More proof that snipers could've totaled Digald

[rantinan]

A) Sweet Fook all when Ron fires ooff his bamboo missles, the tiny slivers kill zoids by the ton

B) Plot imunity. Jut look at what happened to georg.

[Deadborder]

Unfortuntely, the Hell Armoru is one of the most inconsitent poitns of Genesis - which is saying a lot. A Bio-Raptor manages to bounce a Cannon Tort's big-bore Particle Beam fiored at point blank in one ep, and go down to a Saber Tiger's 30mm pulse guns in another. Smoooth.

Similarily, they seem to have varying degrees of vunerabilty to immunity to projectile weapons, probably varying from episode to epiusode. Same goes for melee wepaons.

Nearest I can tell form fighting with battle story translations and trying to maitain consitency, goes something like this:

Hell armour grants immunity to most forms of energy weapons. This seems to exclude incendairy weapons (eg Bio-Raptor's flamethrowers) and thermic wepaons (eg Brastle Tiger's thermic cannon array).

Hell armour is also more vunerable then normal armour to projectile and explodisve wepaons, including kinetic energy wepaons (eg Elephander's Railgun), Proejectiles (eg Gunsiper's 144mm Sniper Rifle) and explosives (eg Missiles).

So yes, a Gunsniper squad could have wiped the floor with a Digard force.

As a side note, the application of Hell Armour makes little sesne with the Bio-Zoids wepaons load; they have only short range and melee wepaons for the most part. While they have elimitated their opponent;s abily to fight at range, they have no way to take advantage of thios situation themselves.

Rick R.

[Colodie]

For what it's worth, the vulnerability to projectile and missile weaponary could be considered negligible in an environment where there aren't any/few munition plants.

Especially when an opponent has a greater manufacturing base; i.e. they can replace lost Bio Zoids quicker than you can manufacture or aquire munitions.

As for long range weaponary, it would increase effectiveness, but the weapon and advanced targeting required could increase the complexity and amount that can be manufactured. In which case it's just finding the ideal balance between combat effectiveness and simplicity to manufacture.

Or it's more likely that melee combat 'looks cooler', but I can think of a logical enough explaination regardless.

[Tilly]

Yeah - anyone with Zoids left likely won't have projectile weaponry that's still got ammo or a way to make more, but they're very likely to have functioning beam weapons. So protecting against that is far more important if you're looking to dominate a country quickly.

Hell armor would be really stupid to use in, say, the environment of /Zero or Fuzors, but in Genesis it wasn't that horrid an idea. The Zoids it was stuck on not having any real distance weaponry for themselves was.

I mean, I can understand the little grunt Zoids like the Raptors not having much if they're churned out en masse, but surely giving a more advanced unit like the first Megaraptors or the Volcano something more than a flamethrower or particle gun would be handy. Rapid fire, maybe, to make it harder to be all "get out of the waaay" and for a better chance against air targets.

[Moshii]

Isn't Lanstag's antlers made bio armor or something?

[adamassc]

beandip said:

Isn't Lanstag's antlers made bio armor or something?

I think Souta's may have been, but not the MP Lanstags or Re Mii's

[尹 眞悟]

Only his "lance" which is the beast slayer (?) ripped off a Kentro or something. Re Mii's Lanstag has metal-zi (tipped?) antlers and a metal-zi lance. Normal lanstags don't appear to benefit from this at all. Ron's Bamboo Missiles are said to use metal-zi as the blue shards too though that's just... weird.

At any rate I think it was that the Hell Armour is resistant (not immune) to very possibly all projectile weaponry though strong enough weapons (I think the Cannonry Unit on Molgas fall under this... I'm thinking the Brastle Tiger's thermic burst overcomes the armour too) can negate the resistance and in the end of the anime all the zoids are loaded up with metal-zi ammunition anyway because for some inexplicable reason metal-zi is said to cut through hell armour like a heated knife through butter.

In one ep the "good guys" manage to think of the idea that it may be a smart idea to shoot the Bio Zoids where the Hell Armour isn't covering the zoid and manage to take them out like that for a while.

Don't quote me on this though, I'm not entirely confident in what's been said.

[Zzgashi]

a CPC might be able to take out bio zoids but there weren't any genos in the series ;D

[Raysetiger]

so hell armor can with stand a CPC depending on which bio zoid?
also it is weak againts shelling, non-energy melee weapons and missiles?
what about electro-magnetic weapons?

[Tilly]

Non-energy melee isn't much use unless it's Metal-Zi, as I understand it. Weren't the Bamburian's missiles really things that sent out metal Zi shards? My memory's fuzzy, but I can't remember explodey-type missiles...

[尹 眞悟]

Actually (in regards to my first post) I think hell armour was fairly resistant all round full stop but only up to a point. Ron's Bamboo Missiles had an odd spikey thing for a payload. Some time after being fired the outer casing would come off and these tiny glowy blue shards would hail down on the enemy or after a certain Bio-Ptera depending on the situation. I'm told they're metal-zi but don't know for sure. Metal-zi seeming to be hell armour's kryptonite.

[DigitalMan]

Hell Armor started out as being downright indestructible aside from against Metal Zi, but then it kinda weakened incredibly. So then they came up with the Metal-Zi-resistant stuff.

For most of the series, though, it seems to be:
-Immune to energy weapons like lasers
-Immune to projectiles, unless the projectile can cause such an impact to outright crack it (wasn't there also a Bio Raptor that died from slamming into a wall?)
-Nowhere near immune to anything that'll just melt it
-Roughly the consistency of mild cheddar cheese against Metal Zi

Also, up to the point that I've watched (which I don't think is to the point of any successful Molga strikes), the only way to destroy a Bio Zoid without Metal Zi is to blast it in the mouth. However, as stated, it seems to be less resistant to hard impacts.

So, yeah. An army of Snipe Masters would work real nice. Personally, I'd like to see more Brastle Tiger action... Mmm, melty...

[Tilly]

Snipe Master's tail rifle is usually portrayed as a beam weapon...and if not, like Colodie said: who'd be making the ammo? Until the good guys got to manufacturing Metal Zi bullets and such, there'd be no way to rearm those Snipe Masters even if you had them.

[Andy F²]

Not to mention that all the Dino Zoids are apparently long-dead in Genesis.