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Post by adamassc on Apr 12, 2007 19:58:10 GMT -5
while its true a continuity shift would be acceptable, it would mess with the LB zoids. The problem with peace is that its never total. Even though Wollf let go, many of the officers probably didn't. There will always be someone that believes their might can make a better world than someone else's diplomacy, and they will always be able to attract followers.
Humankind will always have war, because there will always be those that use the ease of violence over the knowledge of peace to accomplish their goals.
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Post by Tilly on Apr 12, 2007 20:29:20 GMT -5
How about showing how hard getting to a point of relative peace is, then? There is plenty of conflict and friction in things that aren't all-out global war. Have fighting on a SMALLER SCALE, based around humanity and characters rather than pretty explosions...the whole planet doesn't need to be involved directly with everything, the hero doesn't have to save the whole world/universe/what have you every day. (this rant also applies to/was inspired by much crappy fantasy and sci-fi in general...) I suppose that's not exciting enough...or would require more thought than "<faction> is evil for some reason and blows stuff up and then the war's back on like nothing happened". If you're talking between battle story and three tigers, for example, people have gotten royally sick of it all, they're low on resources and their world's in a mess with leaders working to patch it up and finally get along. I could almost see people (both military grunts and civilians) going all brutal vigilante justice on anyone riding through that mess all "come on, you don't want peace, join me!". Eff you, get out of our city or we'll shoot you and rip your Zoid apart. So yeah. Very sick of the only writing that era gets being "and global war randomly starts up again", as if that's the only way to be interesting. Wasted potential for fun character stuff and doing something different makes me cranky. The Legend Blox and Neo Blox seem to be separate, just using similar bits underneath...so the Neo lot could happily go off and have their own story world . (argh, I still can't type)
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Post by adamassc on Apr 12, 2007 20:46:21 GMT -5
a good point, m'lady. considering the limited selection of zoids available to the NB universe, a small scuffle would make sense. It could be restrained to one or two countries, arguing over a border. That would make for a nice change, and it could keep the uberdeath machines out, since nobody really wants to blow up their own stuff too. If the Dinas Empire was ruling over their own country, some nice content little place, I could see a small faction of peoples claiming themselves sovereign, forming the Republic of blahblahblah, and striking at the Empire to overthrow the country and become the ruling party. That kinda thing happens all the time in smaller Eurasian countries, or so I've been told. That would give everyone something new: Evil Republic, good Empire; small-scale battles restricted to one specific area; a world at peace outside("You're on your own, guys. We just finished a world war.")
I like it.
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Post by Tilly on Apr 13, 2007 1:30:23 GMT -5
Ooh, border scuffle. That sounds fun, and would explain the reuse of parts/small Zoids. They're cheap budget models :p. And maybe so much melee is the result of not wanting to blow resources on ammo - or they just like shiny things.
There is no good and evil in Zoids, though, far as I'm concerned, with the possible exception of a few individual characters. Silly Guylos. Though despite the title, he seems more ruthless and detirmined than evil...
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Post by D00mLiger on Apr 14, 2007 22:06:03 GMT -5
...and besides, as a member of the Evil Emperor Union, he's requiered to kidnap and loot and burn and smite. All he really wants to do is eat crackers and tend to his ant farm. He's got one, really!
But that border idea...! I'm so getting on that sometime. *smited by good writers* Cheap budget Blox... hehehe. Helic, Guylos, and Neo-Zenebas take a look and go "Eeeek! All Blox war!" and set about making nice cookies. Random though: Maybe Dinas has distant relations to one of the existing countries? I mean, three nations for an entire planet seems a bit much; surely there are small states or satelite nations or something smaller than an Empire/Republic. I think it even says somewhere that Guylos was amde up of tribes or something (which by this time would have become more state-ish-y, I'm guessing.) So maybe Dinas is one of this miniGuyloses or something (since it's the Dinas Empire, I'm guessing it it/once was a kingdom, principality etc.), and then there's an uprising thingie, and people break away to form the NeoBox Republic Whose Name I Know Not. Guylos says "nuts to you, we're busy making nice," so Dinas is left alone with its problems. Since they're small and without Guylos' support, they're fielding NeoBlox not full-size zoids. Same with RWNIKN, which, while an splinter group thingie, was started or is supported by some rich people.
Oooh this is fun. There should be a battlestory section or something. I don't know what went on! *puffs*
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Post by Tilly on Apr 15, 2007 0:16:24 GMT -5
The Republic tried to kidnap/capture Zenebas too at one point, I think. I can look. Franz also tried to kidnap Helic and got his plans thwarted by Rosa n' Battle Rover, and I think we all know about the thing with Elena by now...
All of Zi started as tribes that got united various ways, some nicer than others (though even Helic did something rather dubious moral-wise, if I'm reading right). And...uh, I'm working on a summary.
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Post by D00mLiger on Apr 15, 2007 18:49:02 GMT -5
Wait... Franz? Battle Rover? Rosa? So confused. About the tribes, wasn't there something that had them all listed? I can't remember how many there were, but they were color-coded, and I remember something about a wild zoid that really looked like a Molga.
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Post by Tilly on Apr 16, 2007 6:33:37 GMT -5
How many/which ones depends on what bit of continuity you talk to. The really important ones in-canon seem to be Wind and Earth Tribe, with the Helic-y lot more from the former, and Zenebas and orginal!Guylos the latter. Yes, Zenebas was the original Helic's son, but his mom was original!Guylos' sister...and that didn't help family relations any.
The other stuff is in the third OJR bookthing...long story short, Battle Rover pilot chick messes up plan to kindap Helic (as in the second one, the President - WHY did he have to have the same name? makes it more confusing). You mentioned kidnapping, there's one instance.
...stab me to summarize that better when I'm not so tired. E-mail is good.
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Post by D00mLiger on Apr 17, 2007 18:06:55 GMT -5
Urk. That twisted my brain into a four-dimmensional knot. I remember that Helic(II-onwards) and Zenebas are/were related, but if Helic One was on the Central Continent, what was Guylos' sister doing there? Or is she not from Nyx? Then where is the Guylos crowd supposed to be from? *brain... melting*
Ah well. I'll just skip forward to the part when they start fighting. Pointy exploding mecha... so simple.
Speaking of which, Battle Rover was 1/24 line, right? The kinda ostrich-y/Gastornis-y critter? And Helic II is the one who's in charge for (essentially) the whole OJR (please?)
On another note, in CC/GF, Rosa was Van's sister... so she's got a secret Battle Rover of insisi-DOOm behind their house or something? That's why we only see her twice!
The BattleStory doesn't eat brains. It devours them, with saurce and a fancy dinner wine, then complains that you don't take it anywhere.
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Post by Tilly on Apr 18, 2007 9:37:33 GMT -5
Different Rosa. I think the CC people just like messing with heads...that or it's a common girl's name on Zi.
Original!Guylos was earth tribe-y, and from the Central Continent...whether he's the same one that later did the Evil Emperor thing isn't specified, but it'd make a lot of sense (plays nice for a while, scuttles off to another continent, builds doom).
Original!Guylos and his lot were semi-rivals of the wind tribe-y lot that King Helic ended up in charge of...that's why those two tribes seem to be the only ones that ever get mentioned much. Poor random other tribes!
And yeah, Helic II was the president for all the old-school stuff. I just tend to call him Helic and his dad "King Helic" for the sake of not typing "President" or "II" a lot.
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Post by D00mLiger on Apr 18, 2007 19:48:01 GMT -5
Ah. That makes sense. So Guylos got sick of the sunnyness and ran to Nyx. Doom and gloom, and all that. So I guess all the other tirbes just end up going with either going with Helic II or Zenebas. All the cat/dog/bird-loving tribes go with Helic, and all the insect/reptile/saurian/amphibian/fish-loving tribes go with Zenebas. Heh. The Wind Tribe LOVED ligers, I'll bet. But didn't Helic II have a Shoteagle or somesuch? Overriding the love of ligers. "Hmmm, pointy kitty or birdy? Kitty is pointy! Birdy is fast! Uhh... LOLSPEED." " Years later, the same genes would give rise to... the Energy Liger, aka Teh D00m Keety. DundunDUN! "It goes Mach 0.5 why??" "Er, duh! Going fast is cool. Hence, the pointycurvy-ness." Later... "Woosh! Zoom! Kapow! Kaboom! Fear the invincible Energy Liger! Eeeeeerrr takakaka BOOSH! Hahaha! I'm the best emperor ever!"
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