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Apr 7, 2004 23:20:29 GMT -5
Post by CND-Conspiriter on Apr 7, 2004 23:20:29 GMT -5
wow, topics are getting quite weak here in this part of the forum.
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Apr 7, 2004 23:22:05 GMT -5
Post by Leo on Apr 7, 2004 23:22:05 GMT -5
Any weapon that exerts a powerful force has some kind of recoil. The CPC is a beam weapon that has extreme recoil and requires footlocks on most equipped Zoids. I'm sure a tail-mounted beam weapon would have some sort of backlash.
What do you expect? All the animes are done. There's no new material to discuss.
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Apr 8, 2004 0:22:35 GMT -5
Post by Celebmacil on Apr 8, 2004 0:22:35 GMT -5
Any weapon that exerts a powerful force has some kind of recoil. The CPC is a beam weapon that has extreme recoil and requires footlocks on most equipped Zoids. I'm sure a tail-mounted beam weapon would have some sort of backlash. Physics 101: Every action has equal and opposite reaction. That does not equate into every weapon has recoil. Laser weapons can exert tremendous thermal effect on target with absolutely ZERO recoil. The equal/opposite reaction is that there is a thermal build-up. Beam weapons *may* have recoil, depending on the type of Beam in question. Particle beams would likely have recoil, as they exert kinetic force through accelerated particles ("charged" particles). However, even given today's comparatively limited technology near absolute reduction of recoil is possible. I'd presume that given the advanced systems available in the future (Zoids MUST be at the least a millenium or so ahead of contemporary earth) they could likely manage to incorporate some extremely effective recoil control into the system. You have a very long, and flexible portion in that tail, and I could concieve of a multitude of effective ways to counter act whatever (likely minimal) recoil the weapon would produce with relatively simple methods... *shrugs* Anime Physics 101: If it looks cool, it works. If it looks really cool it works even better. ^__^
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Apr 8, 2004 1:21:05 GMT -5
Post by Leo on Apr 8, 2004 1:21:05 GMT -5
I'd presume that given the advanced systems available in the future (Zoids MUST be at the least a millenium or so ahead of contemporary earth) they could likely manage to incorporate some extremely effective recoil control into the system. Actually, they're behind humans in terms of technology. Zoids are grown, not built so it's not as simple to design new technology. It wasn't untilt he arrival of Humans (and their technological contributions) that Zoid engineering started to reach new heights. Then that whole cataclysm knocked everyone back a couple centuries progress wise and much of the advanced Earth tech appears to have been lost. As for Physics 101, I doubt we can apply any teachings from an entry-level college class to a theoretical advanced weapons system. I still see the tail laser as an ineffective weapon.
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Apr 8, 2004 1:41:29 GMT -5
Post by Dracheon on Apr 8, 2004 1:41:29 GMT -5
barrel have recoil cause there explosion in gun for send bullet forward and there no room explosion going! so when bullet leave gun air zoom out gun fast and cause gun shoot backward hard! laser not have recoil no explosion force happen in barrel! laser needing to have shield so barrel not melt cause laser hot! particular canon not needing footlong for work but it look cool so they still have ;D
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Apr 8, 2004 14:39:38 GMT -5
Post by Celebmacil on Apr 8, 2004 14:39:38 GMT -5
Actually, they're behind humans in terms of technology. Then that whole cataclysm knocked everyone back a couple centuries progress wise and much of the advanced Earth tech appears to have been lost. I was primarily refering to actual calendar progression, rather than terms of sheer technological advancement. However, I'd still believe that in their specific specialties of Bio-Mechanical and Genetic Manipulation-Engineering, Advanced Weapons Systems and Mecha Application that the denziens of Zi are still no less than hundreds of years ahead of Earth. Look at the ZBC Sattellites, large transatmospheric transports, high-intensity directed energy and electromagnetic/rail weapons, etc etc etc etc, blah blah blah, ad naseum. That's behind Earth? And once again, Dracheon nails it with a clear and simple statement!
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Apr 8, 2004 15:30:10 GMT -5
Post by Leo on Apr 8, 2004 15:30:10 GMT -5
Look at the ZBC Sattellites, large transatmospheric transports, high-intensity directed energy and electromagnetic/rail weapons, etc etc etc etc, blah blah blah, ad naseum. That's behind Earth. Those were made by humans after all the Zoidains were gone, a full century after Van's story. This is starting to sound like some weird Star Trek debate.
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Apr 8, 2004 16:08:58 GMT -5
Post by ShadowLiger on Apr 8, 2004 16:08:58 GMT -5
Didn't that white Gordos once use it's tail weapon against Irvine's Command Wolf in a very early episode of CC?
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Apr 8, 2004 19:00:39 GMT -5
Post by Celebmacil on Apr 8, 2004 19:00:39 GMT -5
Those were made by humans after all the Zoidains were gone, a full century after Van's story. *shrugs* That's where the LZX makes its appearance in the anime, ne? Can't have it both (model and anime) ways, and in any case, the tech in question that is present on Zi is well advanced past contemporary Earth technology... be it in the models, or anime, in any era.
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Apr 8, 2004 19:36:05 GMT -5
Post by Colodie on Apr 8, 2004 19:36:05 GMT -5
Liger Zero X? I didn't think it was in the anime...
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Apr 8, 2004 21:41:44 GMT -5
Post by Celebmacil on Apr 8, 2004 21:41:44 GMT -5
Pardon, yes... Liger Zero, sans Hailstorm/X or most any other CAS.
The tail beam cannon variety of Liger Zero.
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Apr 8, 2004 22:29:18 GMT -5
Post by Leo on Apr 8, 2004 22:29:18 GMT -5
Can't have it both (model and anime) ways Actually, you can. There are differences between the two stories. For example, the anime Ultrasaurus is roughly the size of an aircraft carrier, whereas the model kit describes the Ultrasuarus as much smaller (it can't carry any other Zoids and only has a crew of 8). So the writers do take liberties when it comes to converting Zoids from models to anime cameos. Of course it is. How do you think humans got to Zi? They had a space ship. The entire series is set in the distant future (no dates given, naturally). I don't understand why you're even mentioning that. Wait... how did we get on this topic? I thought we were discussing how Bit never used a tail-mounted weapon. Personally, I don't think his lack of using one weapon makes him stupid.
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Apr 8, 2004 22:56:16 GMT -5
Post by Wolfy on Apr 8, 2004 22:56:16 GMT -5
Dracheon pretty much ended this convo with the perfect answer. Zi's technology has to be way ahead of our own, considering as of right now, we can't put a man on Mars. I doubt we can make it out of the Milky Way.
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Apr 10, 2004 10:23:15 GMT -5
Post by GenoFerret on Apr 10, 2004 10:23:15 GMT -5
Yes... of course...
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Apr 10, 2004 19:29:53 GMT -5
Post by maelstrom saix on Apr 10, 2004 19:29:53 GMT -5
i think they never use it cuz hes also had a CAS unit, strike laser claw and his duel shock cannons, plus i'd like to know how would a pilot control the tail? you think their busy with the rest of the zoid
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