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Post by Illandrasen on Feb 11, 2017 19:31:54 GMT -5
Ok so I pulled the trigger and grabbed these out of curiosity. These are pretty high quality. Obviously, there is some work to be done on the parts for it to be a finished piece but I have an idea to knock these pirates out. I'm going to scan the parts and try to make the 3d data available to everyone. Thoughts? Well in my case I'd have to pay someone on Shapeways to print them which would be counter productive as I'm sure it would end up more expensive and the material inferior in quality due to the layering system of 3D printers, dual nozzles or not; but for those who have printers I'm sure they will be grateful. I doubt this will have any effect on the pirates themselves as Asia would be their primary market and giving out the data would just create more pirates of sorts, a bit like starting your own torrent site? Not sure how the original artist would feel either as he obviously has tried to go after the pirates but failed and may turn his sights on you instead? Just my thoughts, nothing to back them up at all. Good points. I suppose it could do more harm than good to the original artist.
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Post by Hanyoutai on Feb 11, 2017 20:56:29 GMT -5
You can if you want, but I don't think it should be listed as any white knighting. The owner didn't want the pirates selling them, why would he want you giving the data away for free? The creator has to invest a lot in putting these parts out into circulation in the first place, from the materials/casting to purchasing a table at the convention. It'd be more likely to not only damage the creator's profits, but prompt them to stop putting these parts into circulation in the first place if they feel too cheated by it.
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Post by shovelchop81 on Feb 11, 2017 23:27:42 GMT -5
You can if you want, but I don't think it should be listed as any white knighting. The owner didn't want the pirates selling them, why would he want you giving the data away for free? The creator has to invest a lot in putting these parts out into circulation in the first place, from the materials/casting to purchasing a table at the convention. It'd be more likely to not only damage the creator's profits, but prompt them to stop putting these parts into circulation in the first place if they feel too cheated by it. The problem is the artist or original parts creator (as the designs are by Takara Tomy) only sold them once at one venue from what I understand so he hardly made a business out of it and certainly made them unavailable to the masses, probably because he didn't have permission from TT himself.
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Post by Hanyoutai on Feb 12, 2017 0:14:15 GMT -5
The artist sold them multiple times at WF. The thing is, it's a 1 person production. Not a toy company that can always ignore this annoyance for profit. They've already expressed irritation at the theft, and could easily go back to personal customs instead of producing and selling new products. Individuals will always be more finicky than a group.
I'm definitely in the gray area on bootleg morality so I won't go into that, people can do what they want, just don't paint it up all nice and pretty as a fight against bootleggers. It's still bootlegging. If you're going to do it, embrace what you're doing.
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Post by shovelchop81 on Feb 12, 2017 0:20:44 GMT -5
The artist sold them multiple times at WF. The thing is, it's a 1 person production. Not a toy company that can always ignore this annoyance for profit. They've already expressed irritation at the theft, and could easily go back to personal customs instead of producing and selling new products. Individuals will always be more finicky than a group. I'm definitely in the gray area on bootleg morality so I won't go into that, people can do what they want, just don't paint it up all nice and pretty as a fight against bootleggers. It's still bootlegging. If you're going to do it, embrace what you're doing. I only meant that someone will always step in to meet the demand in a market if there is one and that the Artist didn't seem to be doing that himself or he'd offer them online like the "pirates". By the way I agree with everything you've just said!
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Post by Illandrasen on Feb 13, 2017 10:37:50 GMT -5
The artist sold them multiple times at WF. The thing is, it's a 1 person production. Not a toy company that can always ignore this annoyance for profit. They've already expressed irritation at the theft, and could easily go back to personal customs instead of producing and selling new products. Individuals will always be more finicky than a group. I'm definitely in the gray area on bootleg morality so I won't go into that, people can do what they want, just don't paint it up all nice and pretty as a fight against bootleggers. It's still bootlegging. If you're going to do it, embrace what you're doing. Totally agree, definitely not a white knight move on my part. I'm not one for bootlegging Kotobukiya official models. This is a gray area for sure. The circumstance we find ourselves in is that the original artist is no longer producing an item that was not licensed by TOMY but is now having his work copied and sold (also without licensing from TOMY). So the situation is such that someone is selling bootlegs of a possible copyright infringement. The only rights the original creator has/deserves now is that of credit for the armors he made. If he's not going to sell more, then he is technically losing no potential profit. That said, the dude deserves some credit for his creations.
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Post by Hanyoutai on Feb 13, 2017 11:06:35 GMT -5
I'd imagine Koto is happy with this parasitic relationship. Koto continues to profit, in spite of the trademark infringement. They make major announcements at the same conventions these are sold, because they know they're pandering to fans there, and small production runs are no harm to them. These kits are financially good for Kotobukiya. They bolster sales and hurt nothing, since the Zoids are no longer in production (Genesis) or never were (Command Wolf SM, Shadow Edge, etc.) Meanwhile, almost every product sold and used from this infringement requires the purchase of official goods (HMM Zero, etc.)
It's like a leech. They have their medical purposes.
The bigger question is if it'd upset the crafter that everyone here wants the kits of. It'd be 'safer' (and actually, probably cheaper) for everyone involved, including the original artist to just let them buy from the pirates that are already known and already got their boat rocking out of the way.
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Post by silver on Mar 10, 2017 19:15:16 GMT -5
he wont be giving the instructions to those who have a pirated copy of his product trust me on this and yes these copies are on Ebay and the one I got was not that good
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Post by cheeseontom on Mar 14, 2017 16:04:54 GMT -5
I would love this!!! It's a touch out of my price range at the moment. I would happily just take the wrist mounted blades! Maybe I will save some money up to get it, I hope they deliver to England!
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Post by cheeseontom on Mar 27, 2017 8:45:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know if this is till for sale/ have a link to the eBay site etc etc???
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Post by Illandrasen on Mar 28, 2017 6:54:37 GMT -5
Does anyone know if this is till for sale/ have a link to the eBay site etc etc??? Take a look at the first comment in this thread.
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Post by cheeseontom on Mar 29, 2017 2:50:25 GMT -5
Touché. Though when I click on buy it goes to Japanese. Will look to use Google translate.
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