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Post by Maethius on Sept 21, 2022 9:50:28 GMT -5
"Simulation Dinosaur" kind of limits them from other animal types. They will probably expand the line later or have a sister line of products.
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Post by bill on Sept 21, 2022 23:02:20 GMT -5
"Simulation Dinosaur" kind of limits them from other animal types. They will probably expand the line later or have a sister line of products. They actually need to change it already. They have a mammoth 🦣. If and when it ever gets here. Aliexpress is sooo slow! I did like the color scheme better on it. Brown suited it more.
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Post by Snowflake on Sept 22, 2022 16:26:03 GMT -5
"Simulation Dinosaur" kind of limits them from other animal types. They will probably expand the line later or have a sister line of products. Like a lot of bootlegs, the brand names and such shift constantly. There's no "simulation dinosaur" labeling on the ones I bought. One is labeled zikhoobusik (which is just sticker placed above) cenzelong, the other three are labeled 'boley' again on a sticker, which might be covering up cenzelong. all the branding in the instructions is stickered too. My usual thought with this kind of thing is that Tomy should just steal these designs -back- since it's not like china could sue them, and it's built on their property to begin with. Then we could have these improved designs legit
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Post by Maethius on Sept 23, 2022 13:04:52 GMT -5
Finding them is tricky... I had to search for Cenzelong to find anything, and mostly it was short video ads for the kits.
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Post by Snowflake on Sept 23, 2022 21:39:33 GMT -5
Just a tip if anyone is still buying these, not 100% sure but I feel like the Zikhoobusik one is a lot more fragile-feeling, more stiff and brittle plastic, than the Boley ones. The silver sprue is just spraypainted on top of some of that translucent white plastic like you tend to see underneath vac-chrome, and some pieces just fall off the runners (resulting in me losing one, but I think it was missing in the first place). Though since that missing piece is one of the 'cryptovolans' arms, and Sonic Bird has guns there instead of arms because.. the wings are the arms.. it's no huge loss? Really odd kit in total. The little arms have flip-out mini wings that aren't aligned right to make sense, and the wing (the regular wings that is) movement is forward-back, not flapping or anything. The flip-out feathers are almost laughably pointless... Plus the instructions left out the last two caps to secure the wings... but it also seems to have a gun embedded in the roof of its mouth, is that just something left over from Gilraptor? Because it looks like even Sonic Bird doesn't have that gun visible. It's parallel with the eyes, so it'd have to be in a particularly weird skull in order to actually penetrate.
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Post by Hanyoutai on Sept 24, 2022 8:57:29 GMT -5
I usually have to wade through pages and pages of "Electric Robot Dinosaur Toy/Model Kit" to find them. They're also sold under Boley. Are you looking for any in particular?
With Cryptovolans, I think that might be a problem with that kit in general, but I'll have to take a look and compare. Mine definitely had the semi-translucent stiff plastic underneath, but nothing was brittle enough to break. Curious about the differences between the releases. I got a second one was a gift from somebody and it is neither Boley nor Zikhoobusik (seems unbranded).
Losing pieces is always frustrating, though. Especially if they get past quality control without them in the first place.
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Post by Snowflake on Oct 8, 2022 21:23:38 GMT -5
In case anyone's still curious, I bought a different Cenzelong-branded Cryptovolans (no other sticker) after my first one got refunded for having a missing piece, and this one feels like better plastic overall, and has proper silver plastic under the extra-metallic spray on the silver sprue. I'll just custom paint up the other one and try to work around its missing arms. Wish I had easier access to my big spare parts box, could put guns there similar to Sonic Bird's
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Post by bladeligerzero94 on Nov 20, 2022 13:59:31 GMT -5
I'm aganinst counterfeiting. Counterfeiting must be stopped, no matter the cost.
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Post by Snowflake on Nov 20, 2022 15:56:28 GMT -5
Technically, you would have to be passing them off as Zoids for it to be counterfeiting. This is more copyright violation but with a twist of the 'transformative' in it, since they are improving on the kits.
Also be careful with 'no matter the cost.' Your enemies OR allies hear it, the cost of what you're trying to accomplish is going to skyrocket. It's just bad business. Set a cost and wait for it to be paid or negotiated with
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Post by bill on Nov 23, 2022 15:10:25 GMT -5
Having a few knock offs of each era I can't really say I'm against it. It's just another thing to the zoids nitch to say I've have a Zooid salamander and ect. I'm not really sure all of the bubblegum machine items had permission to produce the items they have either. I'm sure some did, but I can't say all did. It all goes in the mix. It makes for a well rounded collection. Actually I'd like to find a few of the harder to find 'knock-offs'. Things like the redhorn knock off that plays wierd music as it moves. I have the gojulas knockoff that has a wired remote. Had I not added one I wouldn't have even known it is a good head shorter than gojulas and has many screws holding it together. Or that you have to go back n forth between the 2 buttons on the remote to properly cycle it's movement. But I guess I've always danced to the beat of a different drummer. As all should.....do what you like.....I know I do.
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Post by Maethius on Nov 28, 2022 12:30:15 GMT -5
The wicket I find sticky with knock-offs is this; if someone purchases the KO kit INSTEAD of the official kit, it has cost the IP owner money. That is essentially theft. If the KO kit is physically different than the original and a collector purchases BOTH because they love variants, the IP owner has lost no revenue. I love variants myself, though I can't afford to buy either these days... I would buy the KOs right along side official kits.
There is a fine line there, but purchasing the KO is still a cash incentive for the KO company to continue production.
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Post by Snowflake on Nov 28, 2022 16:56:19 GMT -5
The wicket I find sticky with knock-offs is this; if someone purchases the KO kit INSTEAD of the official kit, it has cost the IP owner money. That is essentially theft. If the KO kit is physically different than the original and a collector purchases BOTH because they love variants, the IP owner has lost no revenue. I love variants myself, though I can't afford to buy either these days... I would buy the KOs right along side official kits. There is a fine line there, but purchasing the KO is still a cash incentive for the KO company to continue production. Precisely. I only bought these because I would never buy the normal ones. I wouldn't go to a KO just to save a few bucks on what I would otherwise buy. That's bad for several reasons
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Post by bill on Nov 29, 2022 9:55:52 GMT -5
Idk. I bought Radox, salamander and salamamder mk2 already. Then I see the zooids knock off and get it. Where did I slight tomy? Tomy got thier cash from me how many times on some of these models? In the duplicates thread you can see I tend to get several multiples of zoids I like. If someone else throws out a gunny you can count me in on getting it! Especially if they fix the wing issues. I have 6 already but would love a new color variation or a redesign of it's wing attachment. It's not that I'm disloyal. It's that I've been there, done that and then some. In the case of these it was the color scheme of thier Mammoth that attracted me to get it. Don't get me wrong tomy stole my heart a long time ago with it's line and is the only reason for the collection. These others from whom ever are thrown into the collection as for exactly what they are examples of knock offs. Just another thing to talk about when showing the collection.
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