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Post by Illandrasen on Dec 17, 2012 20:22:33 GMT -5
 This is a scene from the last episode of NC/0. The BF vaporizes a judge satellite by firing all 3 of its CPC's. The buster claws are multipurpose. They are able to amplify the main beam or create their own. Each act individually. With one buster claw destroyed the BF is still able to generate its shield. Not only that but the BF is still able to fire 2 CPC's with one buster claw destroyed. The BF has full range of motion while firing its main CPC. All of this is seen in the last episode of NC/0. Yes the BF was defeated by the LZ in a seemingly short amount of time but that can be attributed to the extremely high mobility of the LZ. The GB simply doesn't have that mobilty. At the very least you aren't giving enough credit to the BF's fortitude and versatility in battle. |
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Post by Chuckles on Dec 17, 2012 20:39:55 GMT -5
Geno Breaker nearly lost to three Genosaurers
Fury wiped them out without breaking a sweat
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Post by Illandrasen on Dec 17, 2012 20:53:51 GMT -5
There is one battle that is similar to both zoids separately. Both zoids faced three randomly piloted Geno Saurers simultaneously. The BF's shield blocked 3 CPCs fired by the Geno Saurers at the same time. The BF ripped through the Geno Saurers a lot easier than the GB did. I think that is the closest thing to a similar fight as we are going to get. The thing about CC is that it is a much darker series than NC/0. With that being said, CC battles contains a great deal of death and a lot less restrain on the pilot's part. I mean Raven goes in to kill mode and takes out whole armies. This scale of battles and lack of retrain in battle is something we don't see in NC/0 because of all the rules and conditional battles. Regardless I wish we had some more accurate data on these zoids so that we can do an actual simulation.
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Post by Illandrasen on Dec 17, 2012 20:54:25 GMT -5
Geno Breaker nearly lost to three Genosaurers Fury wiped them out without breaking a sweat ^_^ You beat me... |
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Post by Hellbound Crow on Dec 17, 2012 22:18:01 GMT -5
Geno Breaker nearly lost to three Genosaurers Fury wiped them out without breaking a sweat ^_^ You beat me... i thought that was because Shadow wasn't fused with it. And there is a lot of debate on the BF being a derivative of shadow, due to the organoid system. |
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Post by Illandrasen on Dec 17, 2012 22:56:27 GMT -5
i thought that was because Shadow wasn't fused with it. And there is a lot of debate on the BF being a derivative of shadow, due to the organoid system. Aye and the LZ from Zeke and Van's zoid Caesar. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards |
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Post by Chuckles on Dec 17, 2012 23:08:28 GMT -5
i thought that was because Shadow wasn't fused with it. Shadow did show up. And the Breaker STILL got broke  |
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Post by Hellbound Crow on Dec 18, 2012 0:27:48 GMT -5
i thought that was because Shadow wasn't fused with it. Shadow did show up. And the Breaker STILL got broke i hate you all! Breaker all the way man! Lol I kinda wonder if mine would hold up. Lol |
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Post by Hellbound Crow on Dec 18, 2012 15:41:27 GMT -5
Shadow did show up. And the Breaker STILL got broke i hate you all! Breaker all the way man! Lol I kinda wonder if mine would hold up. Lol In all seriousness, Ithought about it. the genobreaker went up against 3 genosaurers similar to Raven's when Ambient infected it. I can understand why the GB had such a hard time fighting them off. The Geno's the BF faught were ordinary ones, possibly remnants of the 3 that the GB faced, repaired. So you really can't use that comparison. And the more you think about it, regardless of how powerful one is to the other, it is all a matter of how you fight and the drive behind the pilot. I mean, the Liger Zero beat the BF not so much because of how powerful it was, but because of the bond and desire of both zoid and pilot. So the GB could have stand an even chance. |
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Post by Chuckles on Dec 18, 2012 21:19:20 GMT -5
That Geno Breaker evolved from the same type of Genosaurer you are describing, so it was also affected by Ambient, lol
Though that does raise an important point: the red Geno Breaker of the anime was a super-powered mutant, and it is STILL out-classed by a BF.
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Post by Hellbound Crow on Dec 18, 2012 22:35:42 GMT -5
That Geno Breaker evolved from the same type of Genosaurer you are describing, so it was also affected by Ambient, lol Though that does raise an important point: the red Geno Breaker of the anime was a super-powered mutant, and it is STILL out-classed by a BF. ^_^ true, BUT it was outclassed 3 to one. Even superman would be screwed facing 3 clones. I just think it would be an even match, given the pilots. If going against the BF in the manga, maybe. But going against a normal furher, I doubt so XP lol. |
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Post by Illandrasen on Dec 18, 2012 22:38:32 GMT -5
Oh yea! There were hints in the anime that pointed towards Ambient playing a role in the evolution of the Geno Breaker. The hint was from Rease talking to Hiltz. Rease said "curious that it's red. Did you have anything to do with that?" Hiltz smirks
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Post by KAndrw on Dec 19, 2012 17:44:57 GMT -5
I think you misunderstand what I mean by normalizing the data. Basically what I did was more than just simple normalization. This is what I did: I took the data in each section and normalized to the highest value in the section. Therefore if you take the speed of the GB for instance, 345 km/h, and the BF, 340 km/h. Now the GB is slightly faster at top hovering speed so I normalize that to 1 by dividing by 345. I then divide 340 by 345 to get its normalized value of .985 for the BF. The math is sound and so is the method used to normalize the data. It makes for interesting comparisons, but by removing units from the data, you can create misleading information - mainly in areas of overlap. For instance, ion booster and high maneuver thruster are both statistics that have bearing on speed/acceleration. At first glance, one could assume that the BF has twice the speed prowess of the GB, because they both score 1 on io booster, but the GB gets a 0 for thruster. However, without units, you can't really compare the overlap. For instance, if the boosters each contribute 1G of acceleration and the thruster contributes 10G, the BF is 10x better in the field of speed/acceleration. Conversely, if the boosters are 10G and the thruster only 1G, the BF is only 10% better. Weapons are perhaps even more critical - the graph shows that GB's ranged weapons are 3x better than BF, and that BF's CPC is 3x better then GB. However, both of those stats are indicators of how effectively the zoid can fight at range. If we express the weapons in terms of molga kills per second (MKPS) for convenience, consider two possibilities: 1. GB's ranged weapons do 3 MKPS, BF's do 1 MKPS. BF's CPS does 30 MKPS, GB's does 10 MKPS. -> GB's total ranged attack power is 13 vs BF's 31 - BF is best. 2. GB's ranged weapons do 30 MKPS, BF's do 10 MKPS. BF's CPS does 3 MKPS, GB's does 1 MKPS. -> GB's total ranged attack power is 31 vs BF's 13 - GB is best. I'm not saying that the graph isn't useful - to the contrary it's a really neat way of presenting the info! My point is just that normalising data can sometimes be lossy.  |
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Post by Chuckles on Dec 19, 2012 21:55:27 GMT -5
Let's face it, all of this number crunching and "in the anime/manga it can do this" garbage is inconclusive. Short of an official Tomy document outright saying which is better, we'll never be sure. Here is an official Tomy document outright saying which is better.  ^_^ |
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Post by Illandrasen on Dec 19, 2012 22:56:48 GMT -5
Now I just want a Geno Buster really bad...
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