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Post by CeilYurei on Aug 10, 2016 20:35:26 GMT -5
I was thinking and realized the ONLY reason for Unenlagia to exist is to make Fuzor/Matrix dragon or Double Arm Lizard. Seriously. It's pretty much a weaker, smaller, version of the gunsniper. Both the Gunsniper and SNipe master are superior to it. Especially with CP13 for the G-Sniper and with CP 24-26 for the master adding mroe power to them. Leoblaze has chest guns, so is an aprovement over Saberlion, plus it has a shield. Mosasledge and Nightwise are cost effective air and naval units...but how much cheaper can unelagia be to warrant producing it over the Gun Sniper? It don't even have boosters or missile pods like the gunsniper. Sure the DA lizards is a pretty good multipurpose zoid, but that could be built as a prefused unit.
What zoids bug you for similar reasons?
(I hope this is in the right spot.)
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Post by LoveGame on Aug 10, 2016 21:27:04 GMT -5
Even though I like the Gairyuki kit and want to paint one, the Zoid itself always came off as a mary sue/overpowered Zoid. Among the multitude of dumb things in Fuzors was this Zoid's ability to be more powerful than its opponent whenever it needed to. It effortlessly destroyed one of the only cool things to come out of Fuzors, the Zero Phoenix, and that always irked me.
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Post by CeilYurei on Aug 10, 2016 21:58:56 GMT -5
Even though I like the Gairyuki kit and want to paint one, the Zoid itself always came off as a mary sue/overpowered Zoid. Among the multitude of dumb things in Fuzors was this Zoid's ability to be more powerful than its opponent whenever it needed to. It effortlessly destroyed one of the only cool things to come out of Fuzors, the Zero Phoenix, and that always irked me. Yeah, the ability ot absorb enemy CPCs and even sunlight to power it's own is a bit OP. Ironically this wasn't used against the Seismosaurus in fuzors, when in the battle story it was. heck the gairyuki in the battle story was pretty much built solely to kill the Seismo. it also didn't use this ability against the energy liger I don't think. even though the energy liger uses all energy weapons. WHich makes the Gairyuki in the story come across as even more of simply a plot device. Possibly to kill the Fire Pheonix so kids would want the better Jet falcon...since Fuors seems even more geared to sell toys than the previous series. But part of what bugs me about the Unenlagia is it's only plausible if it was meant for local militias and police forces...but it wasn't, it was built for the republic's main army. Which already had the gunsniper as a multipurpose soldier unit and the Snipe Master as a dedicated sniper unit.
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Post by Maethius on Aug 11, 2016 0:46:25 GMT -5
One of the weaknesses of the Zoids series was that of the Hero (or Villain) Machine; a unit that is ultimately powerful or indestructible until the next plot twist. The ultimate version of this that I know if is King Gojulas which could basically take all the firepower the enemy could level at it like a knight plodding through a rainstorm, then erase everything sent against it ... because REASONS! I'm also not a fan of the Zoids ultimate hail Mary plot device of "lost tech." You know, "well, the Deadborders were the absolute unstoppable nightmares of the battlefield along with Gil Vaders and such, but they're all gone now, and there are no examples left, and we could never attempt to build one again ... because REASONS!" When it comes to units that seem superfluous, I tend to look into the character Zoids for those reasons.
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Post by LoveGame on Aug 11, 2016 1:09:57 GMT -5
My fanon is that they could rebuild those Zoids based on war records, might not look or perform the exact same but it could still be useful.
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Post by CeilYurei on Aug 11, 2016 7:07:34 GMT -5
Yeah they also chose to just wipe out a ton of wild zoids with the Meteor Disaster...but the humans on Nyx survived? WTF. LLast I checked, wild zoids are way more durable than humans and their buildings. And even if yous ay they were zoidians, that just kinda makes it worse. Like they wiped out the Salamander's wild species. And a lot more. But how did wild Salamander's go extinct if their rePUBLIC zoids and so you'd think the wild examplels would be found in the helic republic? And NOT on Nix. I think they just used the meteor disaster as a Dues Ex Machina so that we'll always never know if the Descat could kill King G.
ANd the concept of King g is cool but...it's a bit insane. epsecially since it's supposedly capable of taking out Gilvaders...which can fly. Never midn that it's sonic roar can just make smaller zoids fall apart. ANd that aprt makes me want to Ask, HOW? It's not like the Zaber fang/Saber Tiger is RIVETED together. It makes mroe sense as a command and control zoid that's jsut really powerful, rather than as a god-machine.
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Post by Leon35 on Aug 12, 2016 17:33:42 GMT -5
Regarding the anime, Fuxors has 2 really cool Zoids; Liger Zero Phoenix and Gairyuki. The designs are awesome but the show botched Gairyuki in the plot for no reason and LZP was replaced with Falcon, which honestly looks kinda stupid. Energy Liger also made no *Watch your language!* sense. That show is awful.
In the battlestory, Zoid designs being "lost" is kind of bullshit. Actually, that lore is shakey at best.
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Post by CeilYurei on Aug 12, 2016 17:51:40 GMT -5
Biggest reason for designs not being remade would be infrastructure loss to me.. Not total loss of the zoid and it's wild form..that's just a lazy way to reboot the franchise. I bet the battle story authors wrote themselves into a corner and want "well F---" and somebody went, "I got it! Meteors wreck all the s---! So we can reboot it!"
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Post by Maethius on Aug 15, 2016 1:57:25 GMT -5
I've always felt that way, actually. They started playing around with super Zoids that could level cities, smash each other into the size of a pin-head, and play with black holes. Someone probably said, "let's do an apocalypse reboot thing and start over with machine guns!" Poor citizens of Zi never saw the comet coming.
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Post by CeilYurei on Aug 15, 2016 2:39:24 GMT -5
I've always felt that way, actually. They started playing around with super Zoids that could level cities, smash each other into the size of a pin-head, and play with black holes. Someone probably said, "let's do an apocalypse reboot thing and start over with machine guns!" Poor citizens of Zi never saw the comet coming. ANd this left a lot of older designs in the dust. A better solution would have been an alternate universe or leave the likes of King Gojulas as pie-in-the-sky project or something. Or as doomsday weapons never meant to be used...at least the loss of a proper power source would have pushed rebuilding of certain zoids into the future. At least the Sissy (Seismosaurus, right?) was a unique zoid, and not a multi-unit weapon.
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Post by Maethius on Aug 15, 2016 16:31:20 GMT -5
Well, they had a kind of "doomsday limit" with the original Dark Zoid arc; the Deochalcum power source was so toxic that even the Dynasty ceased using it. I believe you are correct about Seismo- it was designed as a one-off weapon platform. Then again, so was Deathsaurer.
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Post by CeilYurei on Aug 15, 2016 20:44:30 GMT -5
Well, they had a kind of "doomsday limit" with the original Dark Zoid arc; the Deochalcum power source was so toxic that even the Dynasty ceased using it. I believe you are correct about Seismo- it was designed as a one-off weapon platform. Then again, so was Deathsaurer. Yeah, but originally they had like a DOZEN death saurers. Which is kinda crazy. Of course, the Descat is pretty implausible too. Because the King G is supposed to make smaller zoids shatter with it's roar...and isn't Descat pretty small?
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Post by LoveGame on Aug 15, 2016 22:07:00 GMT -5
It was likely supposed to hit the King G from very long range with the super gravity bullet cannon before it could even do that.
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Post by Maethius on Aug 16, 2016 15:47:45 GMT -5
Yep. I think the advent of the Descat was probably the series' undoing... you gotta start looking for some pretty incredible solutions once you play the whole, "my Zoid creates a pocket black hole that crushes mountains into pinheads" kind of thing!
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Post by CeilYurei on Aug 16, 2016 21:16:43 GMT -5
so they solved it by 'disaster kills all htese op zoids, and some of the older, less op ones, to make it plausible.
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