HMM Gojulas the Ogre

[CeilYurei]

Aug 20, 2016 8:22:57 GMT -5 zeke8 said:

Aug 20, 2016 6:34:25 GMT -5 Darth Escargot said:

The HLJ site says you need them for the Ogre, as if the base kit doesn't come with the cannons?!

I dunno, I ordered both. If it turns out I don't need them, I'll just put the cannons on the Gojulas I already have. I also have no idea what makes me think I'll ever get around to building the Ogre kit. I think I haven't built an HMM since the original Goj, and I have a ridiculous backlog at this point, including three IKs. Oh well?

Fairly certain the HLJ description is wrong. IF you look at the color of the CP kit, it matches the original HMM gojulas, not the Ogre. The Ogre should come complete as a kit. The CP will just add the cannons to the original Gojulas, with the Koto exclusive bonus parts that come with the Ogre will add even more "Ogre-like" parts to the original Gojulas.

could go crazy and try to mount all 4 cannons and both arm guns on the Ogre. Also, I'd love to see HMM blox and a Giggles.

[Leon35]

God please no Blox q_q

Years ago, there was a thread on ZP discussiing whether or not Liger Zero would get a HMM. I thought we would never get one because that would mean BLOX would have to get HMM's (since the LZ had official fusions). I was young really had no clue what I was talking about.

Zoids like Liger Zero are perfect for HMM's. And if they redesign Liger Zero Phoenix without BLOX, I am game for that.

Just....no actual Blox. And don't bring back old Blox Zoids koto, please. Most of them look really stupid.

[CeilYurei]

I like the blox zoids. it's mostly how fllimsy and flloppy they were that made them llook stupid, and how several made no attempts tio hide they were moistly from recycled parts, like Cannon Diver.

Seriously, why the frack does everyone hate BLOX zoids? ANd if you're talking about fusions, it's not the BLOX zoid's fault they designed ultimate seismo really crappy with only one hard point per BLOX zoid. Or that tomy was cheap with the connections so they tended to sag. The Neo-Blox didn't ahve these problems but people's doubts about them and their lack of sales killed the line. And the legends blox line was cool in concept.

[Maethius]

Well, I can only say the reasons I dislike Blox kits:

1) Aside from HMM rebuilds (all detail/articulation based) I am a Zoids purist; that means a Zoid is defined as a motorized toy kit you had to assemble yourself using rubber caps rather than glue that represented a speciese of animal/insect/etc. and required at least 1 pilot. 99% of the time, that pilot was in the head (aside from Blox kits, I believe only Brachios had a pilot NOT in the head).

2) The concept was forced into the context of the show in that there was no way Blox systems would work; the pieces would magically float about and align themselves into various shapes that happened to work without little things like pistons, hydraulics, cams, joints, etc. They were, in large part, Zoid Legos, sometimes with limbs.

3) the concept of "fusions" felt like a betrayal of what Zoids were supposed to be; either living mechanized life forms or alterations of those wild forms. Fusions, in canon, ruined that idea. Further, fusions as a toy line always felt tacky; slapping random jumbles of parts onto a previously well designed and complete kit.

4) As a result of the above reasons, Blox kits, for me, lacked elegance, sophistication, engineering, function, and story. I think they would have made a fine toy line on their own, but their integration into the battle story felt like a toy commercial. The True Xoid kits felt more like an attempt to make a model of a real piece of hardware, where Blox kits never cracked the suspension of disbelief barrier.

5) finally, the big one, was that Fusions seemed to take away a great deal of the time and effort invested by the customizing community. Where it took a bit of ingenuity, creativity, and skill to customize a stock kit, a "fusion" required only sticking pegs of pre-fabricated parts into existing holes that otherwise blighted the frame of a Zoid. Aesthetically, a kit designed to "fuse" was riddled with huge, ugly ports that, when filled, now prickled with a bunch of parts that ruined the silhouette of what was once a well designed wolf or tiger.

But that's just me.

As an aside, I totally ignored Bio-Zoids as well (though Bio-Tyranno's frame would be excellent for custom fodder!)

[Hellbound Crow]

I know this isn't the thread to discuss this all, but I have to add my 2-cents lol. I honestly enjoy the blox line. No disrespect to anyone who doesn't. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I, do, kinda have to respectfully disagree with Maethius on one thing. Yes, the bloxes zoids were sort of a cheat in terms of customizing. But I have found you can do a great deal of customizing and still be on par with the many custom users out there, yourself included. While some aren't aesthetically pleasing, like the official customs. I have seen some that are truly interesting and unique. The reason for this is because those who actually create customs with only blox have to go far more beyond the realm of creativity, than traditional customizers. By that I mean, most traditional customizers usually mock up what they wanna build before building it. I could be wrong with most on here, but from done I have seen, that happens to be the case. With blox zoids customizing, it is more of a trial and error. It can be a b*tch to make them look like what you envision, without appearing like a simple pile of parts. My Gojulox was a pain build because of that, but I genuinely love the design more than most motorized zoids. You still have to find the right parts to use. If anything, look at the blox zoids as either an Introduction to pro customizing, or as a new level of customizing. You do see many Lego statues on par with their marble counterparts, why not this type. Again this is simply my opinion lol. I hope I haven't offended anyone.

Btw Maethius, you forgot the Genos having pilots in their chest. Lol

Back to the Ogre. God I wish I had the funds and steady hands for hmm's. I would grab this one in a heartbeat. Lol

[CeilYurei]

I figured the BLOX used a variant of the magnesser system...although i don't like "field fusions" either. Assembling a fusion at a base or something before hand, sure, but leaving a pile of unused aparts lying around to get blasted during assembling a fusion in the field is just stupid. let alone the fact you're extremely vulnerable while doing so. In that sense I ignore the show canon of fusing mid battle. even the Killer Spiner would leave the extremely valuable jammer blade just lying in the dirt if you assembeld it in the field. And there's no evidence of any magnesser tech in the Killer Dome so the Spiner would have to crouch so it can climb on. My Cetus bllox isn't meant to be fused mid battle, it's basically a militia/bandit/independent force build using damaged blox and captured chimera units to build a more capable attack platform. The idea is that it's not built from 1 each of demon's head, unenlagia, and mosasledge, but severa such damaged zoids or at least one fully intact if disabled demon's head and the rest from salvaged units.

As for this kit, I can ahve steady hands but currenty lack the funds.

[zeke8]

Between this and the Iron Kong PK, I really hope Koto calms down for a while, or I'm going to have to give up this hobby for a bit. Or if they would stop making parts that you can only obtain by pre ordering from their site. I'm paying a big premium to get those parts, but I can't bring myself to miss out on them either.

[novastorm]

Sept 1, 2016 17:33:38 GMT -5 zeke8 said:

Between this and the Iron Kong PK, I really hope Koto calms down for a while, or I'm going to have to give up this hobby for a bit. Or if they would stop making parts that you can only obtain by pre ordering from their site. I'm paying a big premium to get those parts, but I can't bring myself to miss out on them either.

4 months between releases is enough time to save up, at least for me.
Not trying to invalidate your opinion but i wouldn't mind at all if another 4 months from December a new HMM is released.
But then by new i mean actually new, not another variant of an existing model.
Although i do realise that i wouldn't even be owning a Gojulas soon if it wasn't for them releasing a variant, so maybe they should do new model + variant every 4 months?
A man can dream right? =D

[CeilYurei]

Yeah. I REALLY want thos Gojulas the Ogre. i've wanted a Gojulas ever since I was a kid. An OGRE this awesome would be amazing, no way in hell would I assemble it till I could paint it though.

[zeke8]

Sept 2, 2016 0:24:28 GMT -5 novastorm said:

Sept 1, 2016 17:33:38 GMT -5 zeke8 said:

Between this and the Iron Kong PK, I really hope Koto calms down for a while, or I'm going to have to give up this hobby for a bit. Or if they would stop making parts that you can only obtain by pre ordering from their site. I'm paying a big premium to get those parts, but I can't bring myself to miss out on them either.

4 months between releases is enough time to save up, at least for me.
Not trying to invalidate your opinion but i wouldn't mind at all if another 4 months from December a new HMM is released.
But then by new i mean actually new, not another variant of an existing model.
Although i do realise that i wouldn't even be owning a Gojulas soon if it wasn't for them releasing a variant, so maybe they should do new model + variant every 4 months?
A man can dream right? =D

Oh I definitely wouldn't mind another release 4 months after the gojulas, but can it please be something small? Release a Hellcat or Raynos for 60usd or under please! The problem is that the past 4 releases have been pretty large zoids, with a lot of parts. So that drives up the initial cost, and then it also drives up the cost of shipping from Japan. I just had to pay $70 to have the Iron Kong PK shipped. Would absolutely be fine with them releasing a small zoid that only costs $60 for the zoid and $20-30 to ship. This gojulas is probably going to be $100+ just to ship.

[ericmd]

Sept 2, 2016 12:09:52 GMT -5 zeke8 said:

Sept 2, 2016 0:24:28 GMT -5 novastorm said:

Oh I definitely wouldn't mind another release 4 months after the gojulas, but can it please be something small? Release a Hellcat or Raynos for 60usd or under please! The problem is that the past 4 releases have been pretty large zoids, with a lot of parts. So that drives up the initial cost, and then it also drives up the cost of shipping from Japan. I just had to pay $70 to have the Iron Kong PK shipped. Would absolutely be fine with them releasing a small zoid that only costs $60 for the zoid and $20-30 to ship. This gojulas is probably going to be $100+ just to ship.

Alternate between the big and small releases would be nice. Just my guess, probably the big zoids releases are attracting more people.

[CeilYurei]

WOuld make sense for the big ones to attract more buyers, but they're also a lot more limited in number...and some of those buyers are jsut scalping assholes.

[novastorm]

zeke8 Oh yeah it doesn't have to be big, i agree with that, my bank account is struggling as it is =D

EDIT: Quote went wrong in a way i've never seen quoting gone wrong on a forum before....neat!

[bladeligerzero94]

I'm getting this for Christmas this year.

[Maethius]

Oh, I would LOVE that present!