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Post by Kamadoma on May 14, 2005 12:43:57 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't come true. It was also the thing that came to my mind.
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Post by Chainer on May 14, 2005 12:53:21 GMT -5
I hope this doesn't come true. It was also the thing that came to my mind. Well... when you mentioned transformer/zoids... the first thing that entered my mind were motorized dinobots... imagine a gojulas-grimlock?... a stormsworder-swoop.. a gordos-snarl... a redhorn-slag... an untrasaurus-sludge... or imagine predacon-zoids?...
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Post by metamorphic on May 14, 2005 14:54:04 GMT -5
Hey, Come on.. All this transformers/zoids crossover talk will never happen. Fantasy, Thats all... Would you believe, that Tomy is the loser from this merger. They've been posting profits for the past 2 years, while Takara has posted losses. Thats what promted Konami to sell their 20% share, and thats why Takara are in talks with Tomy.
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Post by DonMcGunigale on May 14, 2005 15:53:21 GMT -5
Well, heres what I gather so far.
Hasbro/Takara are partners, which means with Tomys perminate merger between the two of them, we'll likely see a more stable flow of zoids coming into the States. Takara and Hasbro both LOVE To reissue old models, which means we have a better chance of getting the older zoids, how great would it be to see the King Gojulas on shelves again? Not only that, but recently hasbro seems to have taken a more fan friendly turn to most things.
I doubt we'll see anything as absurd as a transformers/zoids fusion, dunno why that came up. Generally the crossing of two toy lines never works out well, but we may see transforming zoids, or transformers models.
I think the high point here is, Takara tends to take care of toy lines better then Tomy has. But the downside will be collectors are gonna get screwed, your 900 dollar King Gojulas might not be worth that much for long.
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Post by metamorphic on May 14, 2005 16:02:10 GMT -5
But the downside will be collectors are gonna get screwed, your 900 dollar King Gojulas might not be worth that much for long. Oh, Poor collectors.. Right where do I sign up for a pre order..
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Post by Suspsy on May 14, 2005 16:22:48 GMT -5
But the downside will be collectors are gonna get screwed, your 900 dollar King Gojulas might not be worth that much for long. Oh, Poor collectors.. Right where do I sign up for a pre order.. Yeah, I second that sentiment.
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Post by Andy F² on May 14, 2005 16:53:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a transforming Zoid or two, especially if it means the return of the Transfighters.
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Post by clowz on May 14, 2005 18:48:07 GMT -5
I don't mind the transformers and zoids combo . . . zoids may actually get sturdier plastic, and finally a zoid blox transformation that doesn't involve tearing appart the whole zoid and putting it back together again . . . oh wait . . . in that case we wouldn't even need blox hehehe ;D
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Post by Deadborder on May 14, 2005 19:29:57 GMT -5
Before we get all hype over the idea of Takara-reissued Vintage Zoids, I want you all to consider a few things.
First up, when companies merge, usually a lot of lines loose out or get canned, usually when there's two compnies that manufacute the same htings (like when Compaq and HP merged. Trust me, I was there. It was messy).
This is especially true of toy companies. One example would be when Kenner and Hasbro merged back in the mid 90s. Kenner got control of the actipn figure lines and, in order to re-launch Star Wars, killed off the 3 3/4 inch Joe line (and at a point where most of the 1995 stock was production-ready).
In so far as Tomy's releases go, Zoids are a surprisingly minir part of the shceme of htings. When you relise that hty're the licnecee for Disney products in Japan and their stranglehold hty have on the baby toys market, you'll see that the robot dinos of doom don't hold that much of a sway. I can also see Takara reducing the Zoids line to clear the way for more Transformers.
Second hting is that, from what a few perople at Tomy have said, the Gilvader and King Gojulas moulds apprently don't exist anymore. Now I know that Takara has had some success with ressurecting old moudls htrough reverse-enginnering, like thier Re-issue TF lines. At the same time, however, those moulds have had a severe loss in quality and detail.
Attempting to do the same to a Zoid mould would be even worse; you'd get parts fit issues, bad mouldings, problams with walking mechnisims, you name it. Lookign at a Zoid as involbed as a Gilvader - and oyu'd know what i mean if oyu'd ever buitl one - any loss in mould quality wuld be disasterous.
Hasbro apprently recreated the Deadborder and Houndsoldier moulds. Even htose realtively simple designs had a deprciciation in mould quality. Now imagine that lbown out to a Zoid bigger thne a Deathsaurer.
So, don't get oyur hopes up. If this is true - which I personallky doubt - its unlikely that the situation would get any better for ZOids fans. In fact, I'd suspect that it;d be morel ikely to get worse.
Rick R.
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Post by Yurei Avalon on May 14, 2005 19:36:28 GMT -5
my question about zoid moulds has always been.. they created them once from sketches, renderings , clay models whatever. Why can't they do the process again if they saw enough profit in it to be bothered? If they no longer have the original plans/blueprints whatever, couldn't they work off an exisitingmodel to recreate them? It just confuzzles me e_e;
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Post by 尹 眞悟 on May 14, 2005 19:42:37 GMT -5
Maybe because they don't see a worthwhile profit in it. The Fuzors line which was supposed to be safe was near disastrous and because they are a huge busness, something would need to have be very profitable for it to go into motion.
Anyway, I suppose idealistically that this would mean a super toy company but realistically I can see the resulting company wanting to keep things "efficient" and thus laying off staff left and right resulting in fewer people working on whatever they work on.
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Post by gojulasprime23 on May 14, 2005 22:56:02 GMT -5
I can also see Takara reducing the Zoids line to clear the way for more Transformers. Not likely to happen. Apparently Tomy will have ownership of the company. Here's a portion of a recent article on Tformers.com "As a result, Takara will be disolved & Tomy will be the surviving company since Tomy will have the majority of the shares. Tomy's Toyama Mikitarou president will assume the position of the President & Representative Director, Chairman Keita Sato of Takara will assume the position of the Representative Director Vice President & Chairman Masami Ochiai will assume the position from the index of the director. On September 1, there will also be a new strategic joint venture company established with the tentative name "Takara Tomy Network" which will concentrate on media aspects such as television, cellular phones & procurement of projects of animation production companies & new content." Second hting is that, from what a few perople at Tomy have said, the Gilvader and King Gojulas moulds apprently don't exist anymore. Now I know that Takara has had some success with ressurecting old moudls htrough reverse-enginnering, like thier Re-issue TF lines. At the same time, however, those moulds have had a severe loss in quality and detail. Rick R. Which molds are you refering to? Aside from the G1 Meister reissue (sloppy face), I haven't heard of any decline in the quality of the Takara reissues.
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Post by rantinan on May 15, 2005 18:42:03 GMT -5
I can also see Takara reducing the Zoids line to clear the way for more Transformers. Not likely to happen. Apparently Tomy will have ownership of the company. Here's a portion of a recent article on Tformers.com Second hting is that, from what a few perople at Tomy have said, the Gilvader and King Gojulas moulds apprently don't exist anymore. Now I know that Takara has had some success with ressurecting old moudls htrough reverse-enginnering, like thier Re-issue TF lines. At the same time, however, those moulds have had a severe loss in quality and detail. Rick R. Which molds are you refering to? Aside from the G1 Meister reissue (sloppy face), I haven't heard of any decline in the quality of the Takara reissues. Whoo, great news. I have to second this statement on reissues particularly, I've brought a whole stinkin lot of these, and with the exception of meister they are all brilliant. Infact I'd say the couple of tweeks thye did to make astrotrain more robust are screamingly huge improvements. His $%^& arm didnt fall off inside 2 $%^&* minutes this time.
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Post by Brimstone on May 16, 2005 18:58:00 GMT -5
Well, if we're talking re-issues then i'd like to see the whiteheads (from the original launch in 1981 or there abouts) come out.
Re coloured so the originals aren't droped in value.
Zoids died on it's ass here in the UK (again), but it clearly has a fan base around the world. Those original designs are (IMHO) classics and worth some shelf space for any collector.
The 'REAL' Zoids genesis...
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Post by Cheetah on May 17, 2005 12:28:01 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but doesn't Tomy also distribute Hasbro's Star Wars line in Japan?
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