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Post by Tilly on Apr 29, 2007 17:40:53 GMT -5
The Reviews board allows duplicate reviews (I know it didn't before, that rule's gone). All you need are pictures, your thoughts, and your imagination.
A collection post on a forum is no harder to make than one on a blog - in fact, I find LJ and Flickr both easier to use than Proboards, and they both allow for discussion (especially LJ). Give 'em a chance.
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Post by Z on Apr 29, 2007 18:37:55 GMT -5
Strange. I just finished updated my Zoids site and was looking for the collection board to add a link there...
I do think the collection board was a good place to collect links to different people's collection. It's like a centralized place where I can look, instead of stumbling accidentally to someone's collection. Just my 2 cents on what can't be replaced.
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Post by Xehn on Apr 29, 2007 18:50:54 GMT -5
A big one is, it was in some peoples opinions, a place where people could just show off. "Hey, look at me. Here's my $127 worth of Zoids for this month." Is this true? I dunno, but perception matters. *raises hand* Um... that's exactly why the Aquisitions board was canned.
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Post by ScissorBreaker on Apr 29, 2007 18:58:07 GMT -5
A lot of person are going to be frustrated that they can't show their Zoids anymore, and it is not everybody that can open his own site, and has the time for that. And even with that, you don't have the same sharing and exchange on your site than on a forum. Well... I hope the custom board won't know the same fate... Lionel I am one of those people. The custom board is no different. example, "Oh, look at this custom I made out of king gojulas, bloody DS, Orudios, and Gunguyrados!" Thats the same thing. In fact, it's even worse. Rather than showcasing your super expensive zoids, you'll be showing that you have the money to butcher them.
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Post by Tilly on Apr 29, 2007 19:47:12 GMT -5
Livejournal has friends lists and communities, Flickr contacts and pools. You can keep up with other people's things that way - more easily, even, as both sites spit out an RSS feed of your updates that people can follow and read with what they chose.
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Post by ScissorBreaker on Apr 29, 2007 20:00:25 GMT -5
but the format of the collection board is so much easier! (in my opinion) I want it back, and I think I'm speaking for alot of members here. Perhaps not as much as I do, but they're going to notice that hole.
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Post by Phenotype on Apr 29, 2007 20:27:05 GMT -5
but the format of the collection board is so much easier! (in my opinion) I want it back, and I think I'm speaking for alot of Members here. Perhaps not as much as I do, but they're going to notice that hole. So far only 4 or 5 people have expressed discontent with the board being removed. So, while you may feel passionately about this don't assume you speak for the majority when it seems clear at this point you're speaking for a vast minority. We discussed this extensively before the decision was made, we're not naive and we knew people would be upset just like people were upset when we removed the Acquisitions board. You don't have to agree with it but the board is not going to come back and no amount of complaining will bring it back. I'm sorry you don't agree with the change but most of us felt it was the best choice to make so please respect our decision.
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Post by ScissorBreaker on Apr 29, 2007 20:31:40 GMT -5
...okay. I will respect you're decisions, but I will find a way to compensate for those of us who feel as I do.
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Post by adamassc on Apr 29, 2007 20:57:20 GMT -5
what in Eve's name are you so pissed about? Lady Tilly, Alteka, and Colodie gave you options. If you don't like them, make a Devientart account and upload your pics there. On my part, I quit updating my collection thread some time ago. I figured that since I would eventually review all of my zoids individually on my review thread, one big image of them all was pointless. If you just got a really cool, super rare zoid, you're gonna review it.
Things change, my friends, and the options are few: Adjust, or fall behind.
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Post by Tilly on Apr 29, 2007 21:09:07 GMT -5
Ah, I forgot about Deviantart...its layout makes me flail, but it too has a comment system. Commenting is members only, though there's lots of options for following other people's work and staying in touch.
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Post by commandliger on Apr 29, 2007 21:22:43 GMT -5
I'm going to be stright here on the collection board: - It was slowly being taken over by Gundam and many things that just ain't Zoids. Most of us enjoy robot series outside of Zoids (I got a whole shelf of Gundam, Medabots, EVAs and other things)... but with the Zoids series at a lull right now, it seems the board was taking a sharp focus away from its namesake./quote] I agree with you there, but couldn't there have been a seperate forum for non Zoids robotic goodies? It still twerks me off that you all could just take this stuff off when ever you felt/feel like. I think what would've been best is if you could've took a vote, or asked everyone's opinions about the removals and changes you all planned on doing, not just up and doing it like you admins did. In my opinion, I believe what went on was/ is low down, shifty, and sneaky. How can we trust what you'll do again? I know I probably angered some of you, but I think a few will agree with me. Also, I think Pheno said something about 'respecting your decisions.' How can I respect them, when you all didn't have the respect to let us know of your plans to begin with? Alteka, I sorta think what you all did in your own way was "below the belt."
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Post by Tilly on Apr 29, 2007 21:47:57 GMT -5
Other than the collections (which are hidden to give people time to ask for data), all those fused forums had their topics moved and safely rehomed, not deleted.
As Alteka said, bring up issues calmly in the form of what's wrong (with specifics, if it needs 'em), how you think it might be fixed...things that can be discussed, taken into the mod forum and worked with rather than adding to the upset/hurt feelings on both sides.
I think the agreement was on no "other models" sections, mind. Those topics would be acceptable in Break Room.
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Post by Rocke on Apr 29, 2007 22:10:51 GMT -5
I am one of those people. The custom board is no different. example, "Oh, look at this custom I made out of king gojulas, bloody DS, Orudios, and Gunguyrados!" Thats the same thing. In fact, it's even worse. Rather than showcasing your super expensive zoids, you'll be showing that you have the money to butcher them. Customs are artwork. Are fanart and fanfiction 'just bragging', too? I like the changes. This board needed some cleaning up. And I didn't like the collections thread. That sort of thing can fuel the fandom elitism that makes it hard for people who DON'T have 100+ Zoids to feel like they're entitled to even discuss anything. I think using one of the options the mods have suggested is far more appropriate.
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Post by 尹 眞悟 on Apr 29, 2007 22:47:18 GMT -5
I'm kinda miffed here. There are plenty of easy, simple and highly efficient alternatives suggested here, seemingly ALL of them being immediately dismissed without them even having been tried. If you have time to upload photos to photobucket or whatever you use then it would seem that one definitely has time to use a simple img src="" tag on something like geocities or another of the several free hosting websites out there. That way you could even link to it from your sig wherever you went rather than making a new thread in all your forums. It's effectively the same thing and I'm personally not seeing any solid reason why this won't do. All the collections aren't centralised in one place true but by placing a link in your sig you'd be carrying a link to your connection wherever you went. This to a certain extent is actually much better as many advertising agencies will tell you.
For a bunch of people who take the time to make models, that one won't make the simple effort to create a rather simple page is somewhat perplexing. People seem to go to the effort to update what they got and are going to get in their sigs after all. Putting all such information in a single link would be far more efficient and relevant whilst preventing sigs from being cluttered with lists.
A storm in a teacup this is. An external site wouldn't even be limited by the rules and regulations of the forum allowing greater freedom in what one posts though it'd seem people don't care for the rules and regulations going by recent events in certain forums/threads. If you care so much about displaying your collections, just make an external page to show you care >_>
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Post by Alteka on Apr 29, 2007 22:59:55 GMT -5
I agree with you there, but couldn't there have been a seperate forum for non Zoids robotic goodies? It still twerks me off that you all could just take this stuff off when ever you felt/feel like. I think what would've been best is if you could've took a vote, or asked everyone's opinions about the removals and changes you all planned on doing, not just up and doing it like you admins did. In my opinion, I believe what went on was/ is low down, shifty, and sneaky. How can we trust what you'll do again? I know I probably angered some of you, but I think a few will agree with me. Also, I think Pheno said something about 'respecting your decisions.' How can I respect them, when you all didn't have the respect to let us know of your plans to begin with? Alteka, I sorta think what you all did in your own way was "below the belt." Kay. You do not devote a portion of every single day visiting this board and maintaining peace. You do not constantly restrain yourself when people disregard your rules and spit in your face. You do not have to deal with spambots and hack attempts. You do not pay hundreds of dollars for customs prizes out of your own pocket instead of spending it all on yourself. You do not offer a single gesture of a helping hand out of goodwill. This isn't a democracy, because the admins and moderators are the only ones who devote so much time, affection and money to keep this boat afloat. This isn't a job, it's volunteer work. Communism doesn't work in real life, and it certainly doesn't work on a forum. Admins and mods are appointed to make calls on what needs to be done. Sure, we like hearing what you guys think because ultimately, this whole thing exists for the people. However, people are invited... so they must play by the rules here. You have to understand that this place was sinking under so many pressures, and we have to make judgment moves on how to deal with a changing community and the dynamics of a near-dead line of toys. How many people have gone to Zoids Poison? How many people have sold their Zoids since Pheno retired? This place is crumbling, and I do not want to see that. It's sad. I spearheaded the change in forum layout in the hopes we may work towards something to revitalize this community. All of the admins and mods have worked together to discuss what needs to be done. Do you know what it looks like when you respond as you did? You might as well go down to your local homeless shelter and break the knees of the volunteer cooks. It's find and dandy that you don't like something, but if you cannot express it in anything but an immature and selfish way... then those volunteers are not going to take your opinions seriously. I am not going to let things stay as they are and fall apart to please people like you who cannot see past their own feet and heart. The collection board is not coming back, but we are entirely open to suggestions on some new version of the same idea. What I really want is a self encased member collection arena that handles photo uploads, tagging, rss and commenting fields and has a merged aspect to the forum, but still separate so that people handle their own affairs. We don't have the bandwidth or programming skills for it, but I think it would be kickass. I want to see the forum utilize newer integrated community systems to execute items like that. Stuff like that isn't going to happen unless people come forward to help or suggest ideas. Without that, we have to make due on what we have.
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